mintCast 313.5 – Desktop Environments (mp3)
In the second half of mintCast Episode 313 (313.5), Join Leo, Bo, Tony, Moss, Josh & Joe as we discuss our favourite desktop environments and why we use them, cover some listener feedback and talk about some cool stuff we think is worthy checking out.
- What’s a Window Manager vs. What’s a DE?
- I enjoy the simplicity, very set it and forget it
- I rarely see the desktop anyway
- Good out of the box, looks very modern while having a familiar style
- Has super key searching built in
- Touch screen friendly after some tweaking
- I hadn’t used Cinnamon in a long time as Mate is usually my default. I recently tried it again because we covered a story on the show that sparked my interest.
- Uses Nemo file manager developed by Linux Mint
- I’ve been a long time Cinnamon user. The fact that it works in Mint the way Plasma works in KDE Neon is one of the biggest reasons I like it. Every point release I’m surprised by how much better it gets.
- Debbie Downer here
- Crashes too often; when I report that it crashes, I get attacked
- Moving open programs to other workspaces is more difficult than in MATE or XFCE
- Just to say that as I come from a background of older hardware use the extra RAM head space that Cinnamon uses has always kept me from using it. Maybe now I rarely suffer lack of resources I need to give it a longer term go
- Doesn’t look as good out of the box as Cinnamon but still good
- Better for lightweight systems and remote desktop
- Used to use lxde/lxqt for lightweight but Mate has super key search built in and when i was using the others they did not
- When i say built in i mean that i did not have to do any other work to get the search function working
- Moss – This is my go-to DE. It works. It looks similar enough to Win7. There are a lot of quirks yet to Cinnamon and I’ve not had any issues with MATE. The rumor is that, when Gnome 3 came out and everyone hated it, MATE forked Gnome 2 in the best way, and has since converted to GTK3+ tools. Cinnamon took the new Gnome 3 and tried to fork it backwards to resemble Gnome 2. So MATE looks forward from a revered past, while Cinnamon looks backward from a convoluted future.
- Tony – As Moss this is my goto DE, I have been using it since Ubuntu went all Unity and I moved to Mint as my Distro. It has all the tools I need and is compatible with gnome 3 software
- Bo – Caja file manager, fork of Nautilus.
- Leo – A good second fiddle to Cinnamon in Mint, and especially great in Ubuntu MATE, I’m always pushed away by the out-of-the-box experience I have. Screen tearing is a big issue for me on just about every display I’ve ever used! It’s a default compositor issue, I’ve found.
- Bo – XFCE used to be my default. It was light-weight and easily installed on many distros (My Archbang days). A vanilla install used to be very basic and ugly but was easily customizable. The Archbang forums was full people posting their configs and screenshots.
- Leo – XFCE in Mint has started to beat out MATE for me, especially if I’m running it in a VM. Extremely lightweight and fully featured. Missing some features of Cinnamon, so I can’t stay long or use it as my daily driver!
- Moss – It’s stiff and ugly. You can modify it in a number of ways to make it less ugly, but it remains stiff. Taskbars can be made to run Top or Left, but in most configs you can’t get them Right or Bottom.
- Tony – A bit pared down for me but great for older hardware if very limited resources, although only slightly better than MATE.
- KDE Plasma
- Moss – Plasma is everything you dream about in a DE except they are still trying to make it work. They’ve been trying longer than any DE except Gnome. When they succeed, it’s a truly beautiful thing. They have dumped more than a few of their applications. If you want to see an update manager fail, run Discover… it fails a lot less than it did a year ago, but still…
- Bo – KDE used to be a Linux Mint option. It uses Dolphin and has several “K” applications. Notably Kde Connect, Kdenlive, and Krita etc…
- Leo – Plasma is my second favorite. It’s 99% perfect for me. My only real nitpick is that if you try to put anything in the middle of a task bar, anything added to the bar (i.e. app identifier icons) will move the clock over. This hurts my brain!
- Tony – I know it was a long time ago, but I’m still feeling the fear of the KDE 4 fiasco 😉
- Josh – Deepin is by far the most user friendly desktop environment to use. It’s a great one for people who want something that is very like macOS but in a linux operating system.
- Super easy to install on Linux Mint and other Ubuntu based OSes
- Deepin has its own OS for the best experience (Moss: Which would be great if (a) They would have a livedisc version and (b) it wasn’t strictly Debian (no PPAs))
- Others (LXDE/LXQt, …)
- Leo – LX* is great for extremely lightweight installs. Honestly, when hardware gets that old for me, I run things on it headless. So once it’s time to put LXDE or similar on it, I pass it up entirely!
- Is Moksha a DE?
- Moss – I’m probably the only one here using Moksha or any other version of Enlightenment. Honestly, it’s a Window Manager, but it does more than any other WM and gets really, really close to DE status. I wouldn’t be running Bodhi if it weren’t for Moksha. The Enlightenment people themselves are conflicted on its status. But just like KDE, you don’t want to run the update manager, Eepdater. Maybe someday…
VIBRATIONS FROM THE ETHER:
- [to Moss] Todd <[email protected]>
- John Wallis <[email protected]>
- Brian (to Joe)
- Dale Miracle wrote:
I am writing in about the comments made about Samba. The Samba
configuration can get complicated. Many of the settings are default so
they don’t even need to be mentioned in the config. Basically the
smb.conf file tells Samba what isn’t default. Other then some specific
settings particular to your system of course.
I wanted to show a neat way how I use Samba in my home network. I have
Debian 9 setup with Plex Media Server. If you are not familiar with
Plex. Plex needs to be the owner of the media files and the directories
that contain them.
This is assumed that you have already followed the installation
instructions and created the user or users that will sign into Samba.
When setting up the shares in Samba. You can force the user and group
of a share. What that does is when you save a file to that share. It
will be saved as if that user and group saved the file themselves. So
in my case. I set the shares for Movies and TvShows to the plex user
and plex group.
Now from my desktop I can drag and drop movies and tvshows into the
appropriate share. The files are owned by both plex user and plex
group. Plex will see them automatically and import the meta data.
I will include my smb.conf file and my fstab from my desktop. This may
look like a lot of typing. Just take it one step at a time. Remember.
Rome wasn’t built in one day.
If any of you have questions. Just email me or send me a message to
@Dale_CDL in Telegram.
workgroup = ASGARD
server string = Plex Media Server
netbios name = Baldr
security = user
server role = standalone server
wins support = yes
domain master = yes
local master = yes
preferred master = yes
os level = 255
map to guest = never
name resolve order = host wins
comment = Movies
path = /plexmedia/movies
force user = plex
force group = plex
create mask = 0660
directory mask = 0770
writable = yes
comment = TvShows
path = /plexmedia/tvshows
force user = plex
force group = plex
create mask = 0660
directory mask = 0770
writable = yes
force user and force group tells Samba what user and group to write the
files as. create mask and directory mask tells Samba what user and
group permissions the files that are written have. When you install
Plex. The user and group plex is the default as far as I know. You can
look at your /etc/passwd to see if it is listed.
Here is how you mount the shares when your computer boots. It will send
a windows user name and password as if you were using a windows
computer. This is user name on the server and the password you created
using the smbpasswd command.
Add this line to your fstab file. Make sure it is all on one line. My
email client is wrapping my example to the next line.
//baldr/movies /home/dale/baldr/movies/ cifs
In my example. //baldr is my Plex Server and /movies is the name of the
share. The next one is where I want it mounted. I created a
baldr/movies directory in my /home/dale directory. The next is what
file system to use and in this case it is cifs (which is what windows
uses). The next is your users user id and group id. To find that type
in a terminal.
cat /etc/passwd | grep username
where username is your username you used to login to your desktop.
The next is the version of windows file sharing. A safe choice is
version 2.0 .
credentials is the file that contains your windows username and password
you used on Samba. Make sure you set the .smbcredentials file to mode 600
chmod 600 .smbcredentials
That will make it so only your user can read or write to that file.
That is help keep your username and password you used with Samba.
CHECK THIS OUT
- Josh – We have a new website, it’s currently in BETA and it’s a huge upgrade from the 2011 theme we were using. Hosting is provided by Bytemark Hosting who are based in York, UK. We’d like to thank them for donating the server for the website upgrade. Any feedback you have on the new website, please do email [email protected]!
- Tony H – If you watch YouTube videos and would like to watch them offline check out a command line utility called youtube-dl, Thanks to Joe Ressington for mentioning this on the Choose Linux podcast I installed it on the Debian install on the Toshiba and it works like a dream. There is a GUI version as well https://mrs0m30n3.github.io/youtube-dl-gui/ but the CLI version works well install instructions here:
How many times have I mentioned youtube-dl. But the other Joe mentions it….
- Show Split
- Joe – www.Tllts.org www.linuxlugcast.com MeWe [email protected]
- Bo – undercastnetwork.com
- Moss – Triad Bardic College, Peaceful Hippo, MeWe, music on Bandcamp and all over YouTube (search for Moss Bliss, ignore the young black South African gospel singer), [email protected], [email protected]
- Tony Hughes – HPR – http://hackerpublicradio.org/correspondents.php?hostid=338
Occasional Blog https://tony-hughes.blogspot.com/
Twitter @TonyH1212, [email protected]
- Tony Watts – [email protected], Echoes of Savages (band)
- Josh – [email protected], edublocks.org and @all_about_code on Twitter
- Leo – leochavez.org and @leochavez on Twitter, and now Full Circle Weekly News
Before we leave, we want to make sure to acknowledge some of the people who make mintCast possible …
- Josh for working on redesigning our website, setting up the YouTube stream, and providing lots of technical help.
- Bytemark hosting for providing the new hosting server for the website.
- Archive.org for hosting our audio files.
- The folks at Hacker Public Radio for the Mumble server we use to communicate
- The Linux Mint development team for the fine distro we love to talk about. [Thanks Clem!]
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One Reply to “mintCast 313.5 – Desktop Environments (mp3)”
Interesting listening to your facts and opinions about the desktop environments. When I recently did a simple RAM resource comparison, I indeed noticed a difference between Xfce and MATE on Cinnamon Live-USB. My little trial can be found here: https://www.hemrin.com/business-blog/184-how-ram-memory-hungry-are-linux-distros